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our debt ceiling is now 14.3 trillion dollars. it will need to be raised in the coming year. >> that guy didn't have to be particularly bright. he just had to know what the dealt ceiling is. it was a completely non-controversial invisible element of our government. the staff of the senate finance committee where we actually had to write debt ceiling increass s into law. john boehner cannot be allowed to pretend that the madness that he is allowing to run rampant is something that every president in modern history has had to contend with. >> every president in modern history has negotiated over a debt limit. debt limits have been used to force big policy changes. >> there is exactly one speaker in modern history who has seriously tried. by exactly one speaker of the house and that speaker of the house is not speaking the truth. here once begin. >> this is something routine. it has been done more than 40 times since ronald reagan is president. it has never before been used in the kind of ways that the republicans are talking about u
our debt ceiling is now 14.3 trillion dollars. it will need to be raised in the coming year. >> that guy didn't have to be particularly bright. he just had to know what the dealt ceiling is. it was a completely non-controversial invisible element of our government. the staff of the senate finance committee where we actually had to write debt ceiling increass s into law. john boehner cannot be allowed to pretend that the madness that he is allowing to run rampant is something that every...
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. >> eyeing the debt ceiling. >> all about the debt ceiling. all this talk about default. >> it's nonsense. >> demagoguery. false demagoguery. >> when i hear people trying to downplay the conventions of that. >> nonsense. >> a lot of demagoguery. >> irresponsible. >> alternatives are popping up. >> some discussion about my powers under the 14th amendment. that's going to make people nervous. >> very hard to get into sound bites. >> there is no clear way out of this. >> there are no magic bullets here. >> we are now on day eight of the government shutdown. >> day act of the government shutdown. >> our goal wasn't to shut down the government. i don't think we should default on our debt >> we have got to stop repeating this pattern. the american people are tired of it. lord knows i'm tired of it. >>> tonight senate majority leader harry reid introduce aid perfectly reasonable, one sentence bill that would raise the debt ceiling until the end of next year which is a perfectly reasonable time frame for a typical debt ceiling increase in the past. th
. >> eyeing the debt ceiling. >> all about the debt ceiling. all this talk about default. >> it's nonsense. >> demagoguery. false demagoguery. >> when i hear people trying to downplay the conventions of that. >> nonsense. >> a lot of demagoguery. >> irresponsible. >> alternatives are popping up. >> some discussion about my powers under the 14th amendment. that's going to make people nervous. >> very hard to get into sound bites....
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debt ceiling, i'm not going to touch the debt ceiling. now what does that mean? does that mean he is going to pay the debts even if the republicans don't raise the debt ceiling. we don't know, but he has insisted, both in private and with his staff in his public statements and in private with others that this is a huge issue to him. he sees it as legacy. that he is not going to leave behind a presidency that can be regularly held hostage by congress that wants to refuse to raise the debt limit. if he stands firm on the debt limit a couple of months from now, then this is a good deal. because democrats got a lot of things they wanted. if he doesn't and caves on that deal, then it is not. >> what do you think about the fact that we have already heard from two groups, the afl-cio and the heritage foundation. they are already reacting to the details of this deal and say they do not approve. what do you think the headlines will be tomorrow? you know, whether its on twitter or wherever, from all the various special interest groups in reaction t
debt ceiling, i'm not going to touch the debt ceiling. now what does that mean? does that mean he is going to pay the debts even if the republicans don't raise the debt ceiling. we don't know, but he has insisted, both in private and with his staff in his public statements and in private with others that this is a huge issue to him. he sees it as legacy. that he is not going to leave behind a presidency that can be regularly held hostage by congress that wants to refuse to raise the debt limit....
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. >> but the debt ceiling. >> the debt limit we will introduce a plan. >> a cash flow problem. >> the president says i am not going to negotiate. >> i will not negotiate. >> i'm sorry it just doesn't work that way. >> the tea party republicans have taken it to a whole new level. >> the american people don't want the president's health care bill. >> elections have consequences. >> even if you've didn't vote for me, i bet you will sign up for the health care plan! ♪ >>> five days before enrollment begins for obama care, president obama took a stand against republicans threatening a government shutdown. the president went to maryland and began by explaining why he won't consider defunding obama care. >> in fact, for the past few years since i signed the affordable care act, a lot of you have been enjoying new benefits you didn't have before even if you didn't know they were coming from obama care. because the affordable care act, more than 100 million americans have gotten free preventative care. because of the affordable care act, 3 million young adults under age 26 have gained covera
. >> but the debt ceiling. >> the debt limit we will introduce a plan. >> a cash flow problem. >> the president says i am not going to negotiate. >> i will not negotiate. >> i'm sorry it just doesn't work that way. >> the tea party republicans have taken it to a whole new level. >> the american people don't want the president's health care bill. >> elections have consequences. >> even if you've didn't vote for me, i bet you will sign...
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. >> the debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling is coming. >> no. >> the sequesters are coming. >> cue the next countdown clock. >> i will not have another debate with this congress. >> house republicans see it as a trump card. >> they should pay the bills they have already racked up. >> while they approve this deal to avert the fiscal cliff. >> last night the house of representatives failed. >> there was no deal to send money to the victims of hurricane sandy. >> lawmakers from new jersey were angry. >> last night it was my party responsible. >> they are leaving this party without help. >> congress. >> congress. >> congress. >> the laughing stock of the country. >> 66 days and counting, shame on you, shame on congress. >> all right, let's get a couple of things straight here, okay? first of all, there is nothing wrong with legislating at the last minute. in fact, on the big stuff, the politically difficult bills it is usually impossible to legislate before the last minute. now if you never found yourself going to the post office at the last minute with your tax return in hand, you may not
. >> the debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling is coming. >> no. >> the sequesters are coming. >> cue the next countdown clock. >> i will not have another debate with this congress. >> house republicans see it as a trump card. >> they should pay the bills they have already racked up. >> while they approve this deal to avert the fiscal cliff. >> last night the house of representatives failed. >> there was no deal to send money to the...
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. >> the short term raise for the debt ceiling. >> three-month extension of the debt ceiling. >> temporary extending for debt ceiling. >> what is the republican strategy here? >> three months is not good enough. >> they may not even vote for this. >> it is about time we come together, do our work. >> the partisan lines just got deeper. >> john boehner has an 18% approval rating. >> the debt that is crushing the future for our kids. >> this is a party, a retreat. >> a retreat of sorts. >> they may not even vote for this. >> it really is unacceptable. >> they will evolve or die, it is that simple. >> it will stand out as one of the great days. >> today marks 40 years. >> the 40th anniversary of roe v. wade. >> this allows a woman free choice. >> support for reproductive choice is at a record high. >> 54% believe abortion should be legal. >> there was an assault on women's access to reproductive health care. >> do i believe that the supreme court should overturn roe v. wade? yes. >> 70% say it should not be overturned. >> this is a deeply personal issue, one that should be made by women. >> w
. >> the short term raise for the debt ceiling. >> three-month extension of the debt ceiling. >> temporary extending for debt ceiling. >> what is the republican strategy here? >> three months is not good enough. >> they may not even vote for this. >> it is about time we come together, do our work. >> the partisan lines just got deeper. >> john boehner has an 18% approval rating. >> the debt that is crushing the future for our kids....
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they all got religion on the debt ceiling now. >> they got religion on the debt ceiling. i think part of that was both the koch brothers you were talking about last night. >> yeah, the letter from the koch brothers said it is necessary to raise the debt ceiling under the circumstances. >> we saw the markets starting to freak out. i think the business side started to kick in. they realize wow this is in issue. interestingly, the debt ceiling, even though it catastrophic. people feel that. even republican who you ask them. they hate the government. don't want government to do anything. until it is doing the thing they want tight do. so the more that you are seeing the stories. and these are local news stories on the headlines of the local hometown paper about the way that the government shutdown is affecting them and their neighbors. too toxic to continue. they're staring down at 2014, saying we thought it was impossible. but maybe it wasn't. awe off it's -- it is astonishing to me -- to, to watch them let it get this far. this polling has been kreching up on them. it wasn'
they all got religion on the debt ceiling now. >> they got religion on the debt ceiling. i think part of that was both the koch brothers you were talking about last night. >> yeah, the letter from the koch brothers said it is necessary to raise the debt ceiling under the circumstances. >> we saw the markets starting to freak out. i think the business side started to kick in. they realize wow this is in issue. interestingly, the debt ceiling, even though it catastrophic. people...
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you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save the next election. if your conservative philosophy is indeed right, winning will come. joining me now, robert costa, and dave weigel, both of them doing great reporting, i appreciate you being here. robert, i want to start with you, tell me the thinking behind the three-month extension, why three months? >> a lot of it has to do public relations, i think what i heard from the retreat, and members in the room, they want to start to win the pr battle again, to do it they have to take the debt limit off the table, and fight with spending in regard to th
you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save...
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increasing, it is not necessary to raise the debt ceiling. but only if the debt is not increasing. that's why we didn't have to raise the debt ceiling from 1997 to 2002. we have period like that. this isn't one of them. joining me now ezra klein and richard wolf. ezra, you "washington post" guys are very, very, very wealthy. i understand that. so i know. >> incredible. >> you are all fearing what the debt ceiling is going to do to your personal wealth. because even wizard of high finance like you cannot figure out a way to protect all of your wealth from what will happen if they don't raise the debt ceiling, right? >> that's why i bought a skrooge mcduck -- >> if you can't figure a we to hide from the impact of the crash that will happen itch the debt ceiling isn't raised, the koch brothers can't figure out a way either. they have too much money out there in the world. for me, my hope resides in the koch brothers. the koch brothers are going to say to these guys, do you have any idea how many billions we could lose next week if you clowns kee
increasing, it is not necessary to raise the debt ceiling. but only if the debt is not increasing. that's why we didn't have to raise the debt ceiling from 1997 to 2002. we have period like that. this isn't one of them. joining me now ezra klein and richard wolf. ezra, you "washington post" guys are very, very, very wealthy. i understand that. so i know. >> incredible. >> you are all fearing what the debt ceiling is going to do to your personal wealth. because even wizard...
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that is going to be coming right before the debt ceiling fight. you see today i dove into my bloom berg terminal do find out what people are worried about. the prices for credit default swaps had sored. reflects that people are suddenly worried that it may default and miss payments. that is annerly tremor of an earthquake if the situation doesn't clear up and get resolved pretty quick. >> speaking through the chair there, the senior center from illinois a couple of hours ago. just take a couple of examples. we have 15,000 people a day come to lake mead, spending huge amounts of money to help the economy. they come there to boat, to fish, to recreate. tomorrow morning they can't go. we have a beautiful area, recreational area just a short distance out of las vegas. when you fly into las vegas you can see the beautiful red hills. it's called red rock. over a million people a year come and visit that. not tomorrow. now, the republicans are shutting down places like that all over america because they don't believe in government and tomorrow will be a
that is going to be coming right before the debt ceiling fight. you see today i dove into my bloom berg terminal do find out what people are worried about. the prices for credit default swaps had sored. reflects that people are suddenly worried that it may default and miss payments. that is annerly tremor of an earthquake if the situation doesn't clear up and get resolved pretty quick. >> speaking through the chair there, the senior center from illinois a couple of hours ago. just take a...
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ceiling. >> not raising the debt ceiling is not an automatic trigger for default. that's one thing. raising the debt ceiling and default are two different, use. we have enough coming in to service our debt. principal and interest. we have more than enough to service that. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor, former economic advise adviser, and the former treasury department chief of staff, now a senior fellow at center for am scan progress. jared, we saw last week in one day the cost of short term borrowing to the treasury double. that cost doubling in one day. a cost that i think most republican members of the house of representatives don't even know about. >> exactly. that cost continues to go up. this is exactly what you would expect if we start fooling around with the debt ceiling. called a risk premium. and it means that anyone who considers lending to u.s. government historically the safest creditor in the, in the world. would, would -- want to see some extra points if you will, on their interest rate in order to be covered for the kind of risks that folks l
ceiling. >> not raising the debt ceiling is not an automatic trigger for default. that's one thing. raising the debt ceiling and default are two different, use. we have enough coming in to service our debt. principal and interest. we have more than enough to service that. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor, former economic advise adviser, and the former treasury department chief of staff, now a senior fellow at center for am scan progress. jared, we saw last week in one day the...
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the debt ceiling. he said this yesterday in boise, idaho. i have made it clear that we're not going to increase the debt limit without cuts and reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit. the president doesn't think this is fair. he thinks i'm being difficult to deal with. and leveraging the political process to produce more change than what it would produce if left to de-fund. we're going to have a whale of a fight. john boehner obviously thinks, a whale of a fight over the debt ceiling will help him fast the first deadline, the september 30th deadline for continuing the regular funding of government. the treasury expects to hit the debt limit a few weeks after that. but if john boehner expects a whale of a fight over the debt limit it is not going to be with this guy. >> i will not have a debate with this congress over whether or not they that pay the bills that they have already racked up through the laws that they passed. >> and if john boehner has any doubts about that, today, the treasury secretary said this. >> the p
the debt ceiling. he said this yesterday in boise, idaho. i have made it clear that we're not going to increase the debt limit without cuts and reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit. the president doesn't think this is fair. he thinks i'm being difficult to deal with. and leveraging the political process to produce more change than what it would produce if left to de-fund. we're going to have a whale of a fight. john boehner obviously thinks, a whale of a fight over the...
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. >> for secretary jack lew, we are not going to be negotiating over the debt limit. >> it is debt ceiling by mid-october. >> this is the looming budget battle to defund the obama care act. >> they should be willing to defund it. >> i oppose obama care. >> you can't really de-fund obama care. >> in de-funding obama care. >> please, stop obama care. >> cruz has found kind of a niche. >> attack on john boehner from the far right. >> john boehner is in a pretty tough spot. >> sympathy for john boehner. >> or else they will start to call it john boehner care. >> fire, egypt, immigration, the debt. >> there must be a response. >> our borders are now better staffed and better protected. >> the fire is now 20% contained. >> it is not easy being the president. >> john boehner and the house republican leadership have been clearly sending the message that they are not willing to shut down the government at the end of september in order to force the president to agree to de-fund obama care. the message is simple and clear. that will not work. we can't force the president to go along with de-funding o
. >> for secretary jack lew, we are not going to be negotiating over the debt limit. >> it is debt ceiling by mid-october. >> this is the looming budget battle to defund the obama care act. >> they should be willing to defund it. >> i oppose obama care. >> you can't really de-fund obama care. >> in de-funding obama care. >> please, stop obama care. >> cruz has found kind of a niche. >> attack on john boehner from the far right....
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>> well, they do reopen the government, lawrence, they do extend the debt ceiling. the way they did in the bill was to suspend the debt ceiling. >> one of those. >> they didn't include the somewhat eye popping that is our national debt in the bill. people don't like to vote for that and the matter of the income verification provision. which is more of a clarification. it is a clean bill with a fly speck on it. >> and that thing you mentioned about suspending that's what allows them to give us a date certain on when this will come up again, right? if they had given -- if they had just raised the debt ceiling to a number we are not sure what date that would hit. >> that's right. although at the end of the day after back and forth they allowed for the use of the extraordinary measure. the date can be extended again if congress does not act in time. >> ezra klein, what should we expect in the next round of this thing? >> you are not look for a bicameral budget committee in the eighth in a couple of years? i think this shutdown though a horrible thing one thing about tha
>> well, they do reopen the government, lawrence, they do extend the debt ceiling. the way they did in the bill was to suspend the debt ceiling. >> one of those. >> they didn't include the somewhat eye popping that is our national debt in the bill. people don't like to vote for that and the matter of the income verification provision. which is more of a clarification. it is a clean bill with a fly speck on it. >> and that thing you mentioned about suspending that's what...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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and we delayed the debt ceiling fight that we're supposed to be having right about now. but today, this sequester, this really bad thing that all sides agree is a really bad thing is happening. even though all sides agree it shouldn't happen. and president obama and speaker boehner publicly say they don't want it to happen. this is the first time we actually let one of these happen. what is stopping the sequester from being stopped? there is one thing, one single policy decision that lies at the heart of the washington crises. it is the same thing that made the super committee fail and the grand bargain fail and that led to this debacle that led to this sequester. it is the republicans' insistence, combined with the utter refusal to make it part of a deal. it is true, house republicans did declare to let them raise the taxes by 6 billion, grover norquist agreed to score that one as a tax cut. before that happened, they rejected that one as a debt reduction. in the last four years we cut about 1.4 trillion in spending and raised about 50 billion in taxes. taxes have been
and we delayed the debt ceiling fight that we're supposed to be having right about now. but today, this sequester, this really bad thing that all sides agree is a really bad thing is happening. even though all sides agree it shouldn't happen. and president obama and speaker boehner publicly say they don't want it to happen. this is the first time we actually let one of these happen. what is stopping the sequester from being stopped? there is one thing, one single policy decision that lies at...
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they've recognize the debt ceiling fight its more important. with respect off to the health care law. some how, miraculously, pedestrian cruise were to fill bulser for pay dozen days, convince him to pass something that defunded obama care. the other thing, really important. if you shut down the government. health care is the law of the land. continues to be funded. this is what is causing senate republicans to say this is a stupid strategy. the law will be enacted any way. we are waiting for all this kabuke theater to play out. including the white house. and then make their move with respect to the debt ceiling. >> let's listen to him pretending to be happy about this situation. today's announcement is a big deal. few weeks ago, every gray beard in washington said there is no chance of this going forward. today is a victory for house conservatives. that stuck their neck out. that endured a lot of criticism. and to day is a victory for speaker boehner. i agree with mike, i commend house leadership for listening to the american people. they did
they've recognize the debt ceiling fight its more important. with respect off to the health care law. some how, miraculously, pedestrian cruise were to fill bulser for pay dozen days, convince him to pass something that defunded obama care. the other thing, really important. if you shut down the government. health care is the law of the land. continues to be funded. this is what is causing senate republicans to say this is a stupid strategy. the law will be enacted any way. we are waiting for...
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paul ryan was asked about the president's no negotiation on the debt ceiling. paul ryan says nobody believes that. the president himself negotiated bowles-simpson on the debt limit with democrats. i think most people believe he is posturing for now. i do not know fi would bet against president obama's convictions at this point. >> it seemed when whe had his statement today he left the door open to negotiating on entitlements but i don't think you will see it to the degree which you have had the past few years simply because of the timing. there's not enough time to have the discussions like in 2011. interestingly enough, you are starting to see this narrative, which is crafted by folks on the left and folks within the speaker's realm. the idea that boehner is allowing his conference to let out their hot air on this issue so it makes raising the debt limit that much easier by showing the public pr catastrophe the house republicans could obtain from having the government shutdown. who knows if that ends up being correct. what i will say is house democrats are ela
paul ryan was asked about the president's no negotiation on the debt ceiling. paul ryan says nobody believes that. the president himself negotiated bowles-simpson on the debt limit with democrats. i think most people believe he is posturing for now. i do not know fi would bet against president obama's convictions at this point. >> it seemed when whe had his statement today he left the door open to negotiating on entitlements but i don't think you will see it to the degree which you have...
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no budget, no pay. >> in the spotlight tonight, debt ceiling magic. that was house speaker john boehner after the house passed a bill making the debt ceiling disappear until may 18th, without cutting any federal spending. the stupidly named and conceived "no budget, no pay act" passed with a vote. 33 republicans voted against the bill, 199 voted for it. 86 democrats voted for the bill, 111 democrats voted against it. not only will the no budget, no pay act suspend the debt ceiling for about three months, it also requires the house and senate to pass budget resolutions by april 15th, and if they don't, representatives and senators will not get paid, which is of course, wildly unconstitutional. the 27th amendment prohibits congress from modifying their own paychecks in any way. they can vote to change the pay for future congress only, but republicans passing an unconstitutional bill, while at the same time relieving the pressure on the debt ceiling was welcomed by some democrats as republicans moving from out-right crazy to half-crazy. >> i'm not sure w
no budget, no pay. >> in the spotlight tonight, debt ceiling magic. that was house speaker john boehner after the house passed a bill making the debt ceiling disappear until may 18th, without cutting any federal spending. the stupidly named and conceived "no budget, no pay act" passed with a vote. 33 republicans voted against the bill, 199 voted for it. 86 democrats voted for the bill, 111 democrats voted against it. not only will the no budget, no pay act suspend the debt...
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do you think he is prepared to risk impeachment or threat of impeachment and raise the debt ceiling. do you think he's that convicted about this? >> no. i've don't think he will. i think they have a clear legal reading on this. he does not currently have the purr power to do that. change the law. place it. congress has budget setting power. but the idea that they have both budget setting power and debt ceiling power is going to have to be revisit ited at some stag. i think to pick up point. they have power. tea party republicans. their leadership gives them the power. not enough of them without the complicity of the leadership. >> 15% of the party which wretch wretch -- which represents 2% of the public. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> good to be with you. >> rush limbaugh woke up to the government shutdown and "felt such relief." why rush and other conservatives think the effects of the shutdown are no bfd. coming up. and rick perry thinks obama care is a criminal act. an oops moment. once got a medal of honor from president obama for heroism. now he has one more mission.
do you think he is prepared to risk impeachment or threat of impeachment and raise the debt ceiling. do you think he's that convicted about this? >> no. i've don't think he will. i think they have a clear legal reading on this. he does not currently have the purr power to do that. change the law. place it. congress has budget setting power. but the idea that they have both budget setting power and debt ceiling power is going to have to be revisit ited at some stag. i think to pick up...
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ceiling? >> we don't want nothing out of the debt limit. >> some kind of concessions. >> we don't want nothing. >> i don't see a real soul searching going on. >> we almost defaulted on our debt. >> that's what got us out of the government shut down. >> this time it's john bainer that is bucking the outside group. >> they have lost all credibility. >> i think john got his irish up. >> i was frustrated, too. >> it's all good. >> i would prefer to keep those conversations within the family. >> paul ryan carries a lot of weight. we don't want nothing out of this debt limit. >> they want to sell what they have in the best possible way. >> ryan said we have got to move to common ground. >> they're expecting us to find common ground. >> there is no fundamental policy shift. >> stay tuned for some republican demands on that. >> congressman paul ryan continued his tea party appeasement tour today, trying to keep the bipartisan budget deal alive before the senate takes its first vote on the deal tomorro
ceiling? >> we don't want nothing out of the debt limit. >> some kind of concessions. >> we don't want nothing. >> i don't see a real soul searching going on. >> we almost defaulted on our debt. >> that's what got us out of the government shut down. >> this time it's john bainer that is bucking the outside group. >> they have lost all credibility. >> i think john got his irish up. >> i was frustrated, too. >> it's all good....